[VT-51_Razor]

Great find Duffy!! Now I'm gonna have to go out and buy CFS2

CFS2 model of the San Jacinto circa 1943:


As y'all can see (I hope), there is very little difference between the CVE's and CVL's, other than the stack arrangement, and the dimensions.

[duffys tavern]

Now that I look back, I can see how much detail we have with PF as compared with CFS2. She was great for her time but now, with all the gang here producing all of this wonderful stuff, we're light years ahead. Razor, if you folks could stretch a CVE into a CVL, that would be incredible!

[VT-51_Razor]

If only I could Duffy. Unfortunately, all this stuff is WAY over my little punkin head :oops:

This is from the readme of Travis Fisher's addon for the CVLs to CFS2:

History:
CLASS - INDEPENDENCE
Displacement 11,000 Tons, Dimensions, 622' 6" (oa) x 71' 6" x 26' (Max)
Armament 24 x 40mm, 22 x 20mm AA, 30 Aircraft.
Armor, 5" Belt, 2" Decks, 1/2" Conning Tower.
Machinery, 100,000 SHP; G.E. Geared Turbines, 4 screws
Speed, 31.5 Knots, Crew 1569.


Independence Class (CVL) light fleet aircraft carrier

The US Navy lost four aircraft carriers during 1942, leaving the Enterprise , CV-6, the lone
aircraft carrier in the Pacific. The Navy needed carriers and with the first of the Essex class
carriers not expected until early 1943, they didn't have many options. At this time, Cleveland
class light cruisers were in various stages of construction at the New York Ship Building
Corporation of Camden, New Jersey. In an emergency conversion program, nine of the finished
cruiser hulls were completed as light aircraft carriers. All these light carriers joined the fleet in
1943, and only the Princeton, CVL-23, was lost, in 1944.

The slim cruiser hulls were fitted with partly open, unarmored hangars measuring 258 ft by
57.75 ft. The unarmored flight deck was wood planked, measuring 552 ft by 73 ft. The waterline belt was 1.5 - 5 inches, main bulkheads were 5 inches, and the main and lower decks had 3 inch and 2 inch armor respectively; side bulges were added to compensate for the top heaviness which had resulted from the conversion, thus reducing the hull's length-to-beam ratio to 8.4:1.

The ships
had only a small island with a low lattice mast, and exhaust fumes were discharged via four short
cranked smokestacks suspended outside the starboard edge of the flight deck. Two internal lifts
were provided, as was a type H-IVC catapult, to which a second was added in 1945. Eight
arresting wires were fitted at the stern. The whole design contradicted every lesson learned so
far: the hangar was too small, the workshops inadequate, and the accommodation for the ships'
and aircraft crews miserable. However, the only features that really counted were the ships'
complement of 45 aircraft and their ability to keep pace with the fast combat groups of battleships
and destroyers, which was possible thanks to their powerful machinery. Used as transports, these
ships could carry up to 100 aircraft. The result of this emergency program was that the CVLs
found themselves in the 'no man's land' between the fast fleet carriers, with which they had high
speed in common, and the somewhat smaller escort carriers, combining the disadvantages of both
types.

The original intention was to equip these ships with four 5 in/38 single guns. However, as they
operated mostly in conjunction with fast combat groups, defense against aircraft could be
entrusted to their escort ships, while the CVLs' defenses could be limited to light AA, to combat
low-flying aircraft. The two 5 inch guns installed on the first two vessels were removed after only
six weeks.

Following a period in reserve after the war, Cabot, CVL-28, and Bataan, CVL-29, were slightly
modified in the early 1950s, becoming 'hunter-killer carriers' and specializing in ASW. The hangar
deck and flight deck were strengthened to take twenty heavy aircraft; two of the four
smokestacks were removed to improve stability; and a light electronics mast was fitted between
the two remaining stacks. Cabot served for six years in this role, while Bataan returned to the
reserve fleet after just over three years.

These carriers were originally classified as CVs, but this designation was changed to CVL, a
code especially introduced for them, during their construction. They usually operated with a
CVLG group. Occasionally, however, there was only a Composite Squadron on board, i.e. a
large, mixed squadron with up to 45 aircraft of different types, such as VFs, VSBs and VTBS.
Sometimes the mission dictated that only fighter aircraft were carried, to defend the large fleet
carriers while aircraft from the latter were engaged against enemy ships.

The Independence class carriers filled an important need and although they may have had their
design shortfalls, they were fully capable warships and served with distinction.

EDIT: The Jeeps carriers' flight deck is 512 by 108 feet.

[FC]

I made 90% of the work on 3D model of Tanker group,here is preview .



1. Tanker is same as standard but with vpmedia skin.
2. ~130m long
3. same as above but have a list to one side to simulate damaged ship
4. ~160m long, that should be right size for fleet tankers I believe.

FC

[duffys tavern]

Wow FC, that's great!

[VT-51_Razor]

Beautiful FC. Question; would that tanker with the list be a movable ship? I mean, would it sail around with that list to simulate having taken damage?

It would be nice to see a picture of those tankers next to a carrier for comparison.

[spud]

They are ships like any other, I'm sure.

The scaled up ones will need new textures at some point to make them look more than just bigger versions.

Actually, is ships.ini changed for them? Can they be made harder to sink individually? It would be nice if the big one was perhaps. Also, didn't someone put AA guns on a ship that didn't have them in ships.ini? Perhaps the big one might get some AA?

[spud]

A lot of us with great interest in these ships are PTO guys, but repainted and resized shipping will also be of great use in the Med and as targets for the LW in the North Sea I'd imagine.

That reminds me, what ever happened to the coastal shipping that was done for Norway? We never got it in game. A few of us asked for 1 clone without the huge norwegian flag on the side and were told it was very difficult (LOL).

tater

[FC]

Beautiful FC. Question; would that tanker with the list be a movable ship? I mean, would it sail around with that list to simulate having taken damage?

It would be nice to see a picture of those tankers next to a carrier for comparison.

Damaged tanker can move but it would be logical IMO to make it slower than normal.
Here is comparison with carrier.



FC

[spud]

160m makes her in about the 10,000 ton range. That's typical Fleet Oiler size.



tater

[spud]

If that tanker is 160 meters, Lexington is way too big.

Lexington was ~270m long. That oiler should be almost 2/3 her length.

[FC]

If that tanker is 160 meters, Lexington is way too big.

Lexington was ~270m long. That oiler should be almost 2/3 her length.

Carrier is slightly less than 300m long, they probably added few meters to make take off easier.

FC

[VT-51_Razor]

Thanks FC, great shots! Have you been able to see what can be done with the CVE's yet? Is it possible to just lengthen the ships, or does the whole ship enlarge proportionally? Ideally, the CVE should just be stretched a bit, to approximate a CVL, without getting any wider. Just another 12-13 meters ought to do it. :wink:

[spud]

Another desperately needed new object, IMO:

A WOOD tile that can be moved around at will.

Instead of it being a Tile, it would be just an object to drag around. Think that is possible?

[deSAD]

Maybe i find some "shipmakers" here? I have a little question :roll: I won make battleship "Sovetskij Sojuz" (a.k.a. "project 23") from "Tirpitz" (see image here), but I don't know how to "adhere" a smoke to the second pipe Somebody can help me? Thnx ...