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#16

i just whant to say that in game there are so litle plane of japanes production........and i make this post.
I think that modder's can make this plane. In russia (my friend's) love japane's bomber's
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#17

Pavel_RUS Wrote:i just whant to say that in game there are so litle plane of japanes production........and i make this post.
I think that modder's can make this plane. In russia (my friend's) love japane's bomber's

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ne mogu dozhdat'sya Big Grin
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#18

vanir, what do you have against the new He-162 subtypes? Ok i understand that the D model would have been impossible to actually manufacture and to bring into service at the time, due to the wing design which would have required materials that were at the time simply unavailable to the Germans (i read that modern technology materials would have had to been used).
But the C model with the swept back wings should have been possible to produce.
Those 1946 subtypes got incredible performance, but that is to be expected from a Germany that had a (albeit fictional) pause in the war and got access to better materials and more modern engines.
I like those new subtypes very much, but the C the most, since it looks the best and is just what is to be realistically expected from the design.
I actually would've liked to see much more realistic 1946 stuff other than the improved He-162.
On that note, the Ta-183 Model III (or what was it named? it has been a long time since i visited the Luft '46 website) with a more conventional layout would have been much more appropriate, with a conventional tail and a cockpit moved further back. And with additional loudout options, like bombs in fuselage bomb bays.

Much stuff found on the Luft '46 website should have been included in a fictional '46 scenario.
But that would've been very much work, the 1946 addon including like 50 new planes for all sides or so (and yes, some Meteor subtypes would've been great too).

But that's just my opinion and much theorizing and fantazising. But i can dream, can't i? Smile
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#19

I'm a huge Luftwaffe fan. But I think the RLM was encumbered with Hitler's mania and Udet's poor organisational skills early on. I think many of the "special projects" represented wishful thinking, voracious competitiveness for limited resources and as a result quite a few were not only totally unrealistic, but were never seriously intended to enter production, let alone achieve design goals.
I think a more reasonable 1946 campaign contains those aircraft which made successful prototype testing, achieving design goals by 1945. The Ta-152C is a realistic production aircraft to enter service late in 1945, as was the Go-229A. Only G
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#20

Wasn't there a 4 engined Japanese bomber that ended up relegated to cargo duty or somesuch? That might be more feasable, since it really existed.
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#21

vanir Wrote:It's bad enough we have that ridiculous Ta-183 and the He-162 subtypes to put up with. The Lerche, well that could at least fly with a few modifications to the original design.

Well, actually, the 183 and the 162 variations are far more realistic than the Lerche ever was, which I'm pretty sure is a physical impossibility modifications or not.

Hey, if theres a modder out there that wants to do this then it is not in the communities rights to prevent them. Theres always someone out there that wants to fly crazy, tripped out aircraft, as much as most other people hate them. One mans trash is another mans treasure....
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#22

vanir, your views are made very clear and i must say that i share them completely. Just never got around to write 'em up in one single comprehensive post like yours. So thanks for the answer and the post.

Klemm
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#23

this plane was built about i think 12 were EVER built and none seen service but i think they tested one, im not sure.
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#24

firstly a Nakajima G5N Shinzan, this heavy bomber was flying - not only a "what if"-project...
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#25

What about a Nakajima G8N1 Renzan "Rita" ?
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#26

All I have to say is, how about the B-36.
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#27

...B-36 really not bad, do you seen ever the Messerschmitt Project Me P.1085; very similarly to the B-36... But what allways very specially is, is the Silbervogel by Saenger. Than we can created a atlantic-map from Western France over Bermudas to New York and 80kilometres ceiling...


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http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/me264.html about the Me project...

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http://www.bd-holzinger.de/de/modelle/silbervogel.html


http://www.lostplaces.de/content/view/136/33/
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#28

vanir Wrote:I'm a huge Luftwaffe fan. But I think the RLM was encumbered with Hitler's mania and Udet's poor organisational skills early on.
Hitlers mania was imposed on the RLM, who sometimes tried to persuade their fuhrer away from some of his dafter decisions. Unfortunately, nazi politics were deeply competitive and constant in-fighting between influential individuals within the RLM meant that it was difficult to reach a coherent plan of action. They also seemed easily swayed by some manufacturers and were totally deaf to others.

Before the war, Willy Messerschimtt was offered a seat at a German university in the aerodynamics department. He enquired of the RLM whether he should continue as boss of his own aeroplane manufacture or become a scholar. He was advised to do the latter.

As for Udet, well, maybe he wasn't the best bureaucrat in the world, but he was an excellent pilot. When he finally lost his patience over the wrangling and bitter sniping between adherents of Heinkel 112 and Bf109 prototypes, he stepped in to sort it. He had of course already dismissed the 109, saying it would never make a figher, but having flown it in mock combat and becoming it's most vocal supporter, he ensured the wicked little fighter became the Luftwaffe's principal fighter aeroplane of WW2.

I should also point out that the untimely detah of Wever meant that the leading light of Luftwaffe rearmament (scheduled to be complete in 1942) was absent at the start of the war.

Quote:I think many of the "special projects" represented wishful thinking, voracious competitiveness for limited resources and as a result quite a few were not only totally unrealistic, but were never seriously intended to enter production, let alone achieve design goals.
I agree. The projects were mostly paper doodles and represent the cutting edge of designers imaginations, though you have to say some of it was astonishing.

The limited resources are very much the case. It wasn't until the middle of 1944 that German production reached its height, soon to wither under allied air and ground assault. Transports were no longer built. Most of the training schools closed to reintroduce skilled pilots to operational squadrons. Strategic materials were becoming scarce and alternatives were being tried with little success. The factories were being dispersed into woodland camps and salt mines, hardly conducive to quality manufacture, never mind the enforced labour that worked on the products. With the Ploesti oilfields under threat, Germany was forced to make synthetic fuels at sites already targeted by allied bombers.

The thing is though, right up until the end, Germany was producing airframes. It's just that they had few pilots, not enough fuel, and safe means to deliver the aircraft.

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#29

G10 is the Best id
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#30

More replies than my post on the Fugaku. :twisted:

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Colour blueprint might be of use to modders.
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