So what about something useful from you? -Anti-Cheating MOD?
#46

kosmev99 Wrote:
SG2_Wasy Wrote:Ok, you UFO I-153 will be work on server with CRT=2 check? If yes, then we find server and you give me look on this.
But CRT=2 is not a cure. It forces the clients to use the same OS as the server! This will restrict the numbers of players who can play together. If only somebody could explain me how to get round this....
I don't see big problem there, install needed OS and all. If you very want protect from the cheaters - make new protection, i don't see reason continue this thread.
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#47

RAF_OldBuzzard Wrote:Why do some people seem to think that the mods are going to turn everyone into cheaters online? This thought process reminds me of the old movie "Reefer Madness", where one hit of pot turned you into an ax murderer. :roll:

The sky is falling the sky is falling, oh woe is me!

/channeling chicken little.

It really is getting old. The Modder community really has no obligation to insure that online players game experience is unaffected by the mods, plain and simple. If i understand it correctly, CRT=2 works fine online for WinXP users. If you are a non-WinXP user that is blocked by CRT=2 use, well sorry for your luck, but not AAA's problem. That is Oleg Maddox's problem/bug to deal with. Upgrade your OS, and/or STFU.
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#48

CKY_86 Wrote:Man I love your mentality.

What your basically saying, it seems to me anyway, is ''produce an anti-cheat mod or i'll make UFO planes'' :lol:

Nope.
What I'm saying is that MODs are a good thing, but MOD tools are dangerous if they get into wrong hands!
That's why some medicines for example are sold only through recipes, they are useful, but if they get into wrong hands are dangerous.
It's the same as with guns or explosives....
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#49

kosmev99 Wrote:... but MOD tools are dangerous if they get into wrong hands! ...

As is the Prt SC key.
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#50

And CRT=2 does not exists for dedicated servers.....
which is actually the biggest problem...
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#51

RAF_OldBuzzard Wrote:...
It's actually a bit ironic that the only folks that we have seen making/using modded FM/DMs online are the 'anti-cheat people' themselves...


:lol:
Exactly. This guy is making a cheat, is using it (for demo-ing his powers to frightened little girls) then comes to this place where no such cheats as he builds are allowed or endorsed talking about anyway and says that he made searches on this forum and he askes the modders: "when you lazy good for nothing... "you"... are going to do something usefull cause crapy useless things I see you can do?".

Now, that is some nerve...

And to see folks thinking that he might have been coming here with good reasons, knowing that actualy deep implicated in to moding or good interested people are thinking to such solutions as he is waving between offences is quite funny.
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#52

Yes I'm an idiot and fall for it every time. :?
These people always start off quite innocently (JC1234656 etc ring any bells?) then WHAM!! 'you damn cheaters ruining the game!' 'and ' what are you going to do about it?'
And yes it is funny that the only cheats I have seen being made come from the so-called anti-cheaters.
The fact is,anti cheat programmes are being worked on,and 1 of them will work,so whats the problem.
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#53

For a fact know Ive learned that people have used 'mods' in closed pit servers so there pit is fully transparent. And through this i know why people are getting upset about the mods. A system like Punkbuster or a Program which detect tampered files that would automatically kick/ban the culprit.
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#54

kosmev99 Wrote:And CRT=2 does not exists for dedicated servers.....
which is actually the biggest problem...

What have YOU been smoking?

Perhaps Mr Kosmev, you should investigate a little further before making such idiotic assumptions... Check SPITS V 109's, thats CRT=2 enabled - and I'm 100% sure THAT is a dedicated server...

:roll:
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#55

Uther Wrote:Yes I'm an idiot and fall for it every time. :?
These people always start off quite innocently (JC1234656 etc ring any bells?) then WHAM!!....

.. Dont get me started on JC121469... :roll:
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#56

RAF_Magpie Wrote:
kosmev99 Wrote:And CRT=2 does not exists for dedicated servers.....
which is actually the biggest problem...

What have YOU been smoking?

Perhaps Mr Kosmev, you should investigate a little further before making such idiotic assumptions... Check SPITS V 109's, thats CRT=2 enabled - and I'm 100% sure THAT is a dedicated server...

:roll:

Actually, as much as I don't want to say it, he's got us there, crt=2 does not keep out the mods, only some of them. Now don't think I'm on his side for one bloody second, just stating the facts so we don't get accused of "intentionaly lying to hide out cheats", lol.
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#57

urufu_shinjiro Wrote:
RAF_Magpie Wrote:
kosmev99 Wrote:And CRT=2 does not exists for dedicated servers.....
which is actually the biggest problem...

What have YOU been smoking?

Perhaps Mr Kosmev, you should investigate a little further before making such idiotic assumptions... Check SPITS V 109's, thats CRT=2 enabled - and I'm 100% sure THAT is a dedicated server...

:roll:

Actually, as much as I don't want to say it, he's got us there, crt=2 does not keep out the mods, only some of them. Now don't think I'm on his side for one bloody second, just stating the facts so we don't get accused of "intentionaly lying to hide out cheats", lol.

He was saying, also, that CRT=2 doesnt EXIST on/for dedicated servers...
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#58

RAF_Magpie Wrote:
urufu_shinjiro Wrote:
RAF_Magpie Wrote:
kosmev99 Wrote:And CRT=2 does not exists for dedicated servers.....
which is actually the biggest problem...

What have YOU been smoking?

Perhaps Mr Kosmev, you should investigate a little further before making such idiotic assumptions... Check SPITS V 109's, thats CRT=2 enabled - and I'm 100% sure THAT is a dedicated server...

:roll:

Actually, as much as I don't want to say it, he's got us there, crt=2 does not keep out the mods, only some of them. Now don't think I'm on his side for one bloody second, just stating the facts so we don't get accused of "intentionaly lying to hide out cheats", lol.

He was saying, also, that CRT=2 doesnt EXIST on/for dedicated servers...

Oh, well forget that noise, lol!
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#59

So, CRT=2 doesn't work for everything. BFD! CFS1 didn't have ANY provision, for keeping 'mods' out of online rooms. I don't remember anyone saying that CFS1 was 'ruined' in the YEARS that I played it online. If anything, MODS made CFS1 the success that it was.

If any 'pure online' person thinks that IL2 has been 'cheat free' all this time, I would like to talk to him/her about this bridge I have for sale.

They are going to have to deal with the FEW that will use these tools to cheat online just like they have dealt with the ones that were using the Prt SC, and other cheats that are in use NOW!

If all they want to do is run in circles crying that the sky is fallin, and claim that the game is ruined, and that they 'can't play it anymore'...I say "Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out. The IL2 community is probably better off withoyt you". REAL simmers will find a way to deal with cheaters, just like we did in CFS1.

I've hosted a co-op or two using the mods, and FAR from 'ruining' the game, it's done just the opposite. It's enhanced it! I have some mission that have been crying out for flyable planes like the C-47, the Storch, the heavy bombers. They were OK with the substitutes that the designer had to use, but with the PROPER planes they are going to be awesome.
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#60

CFS1 was ruined by mods.. You could never tell who had them and who didn't.. and I was kicked from more than one room on the zone simply because I flew better than some folks and was accused of cheating...

Whats the big deal guys... granted kos could have opened up this thread in a far less confrontational way.. but why keep going over the debate and not only that, what is wrong with some kind of app so that folks who want to host totally mod free competitive servers have that ability... and those who want mods can have them and if the two sides wish to coexist then that too can be a viable option...

No one is demanding that any of you or any of the guys making these mods...( and the truth is that some of these mods are GREAT STUFF.... some folks may not like that , not here of course...) stop doing that. It is way past that and it was actually past that from day one. That was why I made my first post over here when all this stuff broke out in the first place.. There is no reason to continue the hostility between the two camps for the obvious reasons and if this solution comes to fruition there will be even less reason for acrimony.... at least that is what I would like to see.

Some kind of app to at least screen for mods is a good thing.... No one is accusing anyone here of cheating.. and anyone who says modding=cheating is obviously clueless.... but for anyone to deny the fact that cheaters will use mods to cheat... and that some kind of protection against thsoe who would do that is absolutely necessary in a modded environment is fooling themselves. So all of you need to just lighten up... and keep flying.
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