High Plains Drifter
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VT-51_Razor Wrote:"Last night I showed them to my squad mates and they all were terrified! Some of them said they are reluctant to play anymore, and these are guys I'm playing with for several years! "
Sounds like you're in a squad full of Chicken Littles! Your people need to get out more. :roll:
That's exactly what I was thinking !
Since the rational is to provide online security I'd hate to think that the only way to do that is to re-lock FMs and DMs. That would have a chilling effect on the quest to find a way to add new planes to the sim. Sounds a bit like cutting off ones nose to spite their face. :?
Currently anyone can develop any mod they wish (within the current self-imposed limitations, of course). So if one has the urge, knowledge, and drive to develop a mod to secure online gameplay... power to 'em! Personally, I'd think that developing a way to secure online play that doesn't impact continued advancement in mod development (particularly for the offline aspect... my feely admitted bias) would be the more equitable course for all concerned. Just my opinion, of course...
it always makes me laugh when i read someone saying..."the on-line game is ruined!..."
the on-line or off-line game has not been changed at all...... merely their perception of it
if YOU think it has been ruined ..for you...then it has ...for you...but NOT for all
people love to believe that their prejudices are shared by all...because people do not like to think that their beliefs are unpopular...or maybe even wrong!
if YOUR game has been ruined...then go play somewhere else.......plenty of other people have had their game ENRICHED by these mods
so the game is actually neither ruined nor enriched...it is just the same game...and the ruin or enrichment exist entirely in your own minds
With all due respect to kosmev99, this is precisely the kind of bleating that has had me stop visiting both the Ubi-zoo, and the Uber-zoo.
No one's game has been ruined, online or offline. The game is what you make of it, and with whom you play it with.
If someone makes an 'anti-cheat' mod, great. However no one has the right or should have the expectation that someone else will do it for them - no matter what side of the anti/pro mod fence you stand on. We certainly have no responsibility to do so, as AAA. It would be nice, yes. But not AAA's responsibility, for others to demand it do so.
QTim opened a pandora's box, granted. It ain't being nailed shut again. Deal with it, or move along..
And i say this as a 90% onliner who hasn't had his game 'ruined'.
kosmev you shoot yourself in the foot by posting this this way. If I didn't know any better I would think that you were just trying to get a response out of the AAA community.. and not necessarily a positive one.. because if you had positive intent considering the history of the past 6 weeks alone you wouldn't come in here pointing fingers at anyone. You do a great disservice to this forum the entire IL2 community and the cause of a unified community with a viable alternative to the schism that currently exists by posting this the way you have.
Shame on you.
If there is anyone who may be seriously interested in a solution that will be beneficial to every side in this issue in the long run then check out (The link is inoperative) this thread and consider that there are people who are seriously working on the matter, not just trying to foment more dissent and disharmony.. While it is true that the concerns of online players means very little to many of you, I know that there are also many of you who do fly online.... the time for the name calling, finger pointing, cries of ruination and damnation are done.. do you hear DONE!!!! We all need to stop, take stock and look at the sim .... some of us need to grow up and get over the past. Yes... the integrity of online play has been compromised.... it has been compromised for some time but because that process was in the hands of a few it wasn't as big an issue.. now it is...
A solution to that issue must be found, just as a way for those who want to fly with mods should be able to do so.. the mods aren't going anywhere. I am 100% certain that there are many many folks here who although they use and appreciate many of these mods, would be just as unhappy about getting into a fight on a server with an opponent who hacked his FM.. or his DM.. or his weps..... Not to say that anyone here would do that... Jolly has been adamant that that is not what goes on here and I have seen nothing in my time here to indicate that that is NOT AAA policy-keeping FMs/DMs/weps mod free-...
That being the case there is a lot of GREAT work over here that is just screaming to see the light of day by as many folks as possible... I seriously believe that between the mod switcher and a viable, scalable server side Mod Manager, one that will leave the issue of online use of mods up to the server admins not the guests , the future of this sim both offline and online can go places unheard of and it can still have a following online and offline long after 1C shuts the door and tosses the key on it.
Guys .. it is all about the sim. This is OUR sim.... this can be done.... but it cannot be done by either side alone... it MUST be accomplished by both sides working together and that will never happen if no one with the skills and the foresight from both sides is willing to sit down and try to do it. If a scalable server side solution is found and the mod switcher is used then everyone can fly where they want when they want.... and know that they are flying where they want to be... Sure there will always be those who will push the envelope just to see if they can do it... but I have to believe that it is the sim that matters most on both sides of this equation. Even if some people cannot see that.
Solutions people. We need solutions.... we have argued and fought enough. Time to move on and take this sim into it's twilight with the same level of dignity that it had during it's youth and middle age. Can we do that? Or are we going to just bicker....
Ok, if you want make protection, use tools, learn Java and make it, all simple. But i think it's don't good idea, ask it there. And don't try start another flame war.
hi all it just a game the peeps u have modded have done a good job and if u dont want modded players in your rooms keep em out i say keep up the good work a a great big thank you
